This is the corner of Nicholson and Droop Streets, in Footscray. If a pedestrian is not on the crossing then the car has right of way. At many locations, this included, making the green default would make more sense. Have you asked Maribyrnong Council about it? Another silly new signalled crossing is for the tiny laneway (Caledonian ln) for delivery trucks to Emporium. I'm assuming this is a wind-up, nobody could be that ignorant. http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/Home/Moreinfoandservices/RoadManagementAndDesign/DesignStandardsManualsNotes/TrafficEngineeringManual/Vol1TrafficManagement.htm. And if they don't have the flashing amber lights, (which most retail park ones don't), as on normal roads, these are not proper zebra crossings. What did you do with that minute that you saved by not stopping? Either you'd have to be driving too fast for the conditions or not paying attention. More confusion on line marking – there doesn’t appear to be the normal Stop line prior to the lights for vehicles in Nicholson St. Chappter 4 of Volume 1 of the traffic engineering manual covers pedestrian facilities. Very frustrating given it’s about 3m wide – people would just cross against the light (and presumably, Mr/Ms Police would book them for jaywalking instead of the red light runners). Interesting link (the VicRoads one). While the lines painted on the road and signals give the impression that pedestrians should press the button and wait for the green man, in the streetview link above you can see a sign on the left with “Give way to pedestrians”. DIGITAL SPY, PART OF THE HEARST UK ENTERTAINMENT NETWORK. Road Rules – Victoria requires that if a driver is turning left using a slip lane, the driver must give way to any pedestrian on the slip lane. This is probably a left over habit from crossing streets in the US for so many years. © 2016 - 2020. when they are often not required and just cause more clutter and confusion. It should probably just be a crossing with no lights or pavement markings. This crossing is so short that most people would probably just cross it without pressing the button and waiting for a green man. signed to my own label Think that I need about three accounts (rich) I'm rich A mad man will never look for a zebra crossing on the A406, greatness Mosh Pit Headie One , DigDat , RV Listen now for interviews with the biggest soap stars and all the latest spoilers - available on every major podcast app , As you approach a zebra crossing look out for pedestrians waiting to cross and be ready to slow down or stop to let them cross, allow more time for stopping on wet or icy roads, do not wave or use your horn to invite pedestrians across; this could be dangerous if another vehicle is approaching, be aware of pedestrians approaching from the side of the crossing. This is the corner of Nicholson and Droop Streets, in Footscray.. Looks like a council money making scam to me…, Here’s another ridiculous example at Kew Junction (which is full of all sorts of ridiculous traffic signals, like the useless bus lane). It's ***** like you that cost me £1000 to repair my car. Enter your email address to subscribe and receive notifications of new posts by email. I think about a year ago they painted zebra crossing lines as well. The study asked at what point does a vehicle need to stop at a Removing the zebra stripes and making the green man the default, unless a vehicle activates the green light against it, would probably be the logical thing here. Not sure why more lights can’t automatically include a default pedestrian phase, with the button press extending it for infirm, etc. Are you meant to wait for the green man, or not? So everyone sits there confused until the lights change. So who gives way to who then? Yes - THERE IS NO OBLIGATION TO STOP if someone is waiting. There must be a sign on both sides of the road facing each approach. Quicker to wait for the hourly bus, or walk? Perhaps they still need the cars coming out of Nicholson Street to wait for a green, but there must be some other combination of markings they could use that isn’t contradictory. It’s not helped by the red man being the default. Unfortunately its very easy to just paint lines on the road without the correct attention being paid leading to situations like the one you have shown above with non compliant crossings which could lead to unfortunate and avoidable accidents. Dear City of Maribyrnong and/or VicRoads. Which really makes you wonder — how does a design like that actually get through a council process? Is this a zebra crossing, or not? Default red for peds, and even while road traffic along Lonsdale gets a green, peds do not. There were 2 put outside GCHQ, near me, and those never had … All Rights Reserved. zebra crossing, or otherwise? Although I do stop for them, there is no obligation to do so. The problem with car detection can be that faulty loops and smaller vehicles like motor bikes sometimes require a back up timed phase to also run. I'm not speeding maniac, its just someonetimes it makes more sense to drive through depending on the business of the road and who has arrived at the crossing first. We often overcrowd our road spaces with signs, pavement markings etc. Pedestrian crossings without flashing lights are Major Traffic Control Items requiring VicRoads approval for their installation, removal or alteration. No wonder councils keep making bad infrastructure, in some cases it seems they’re required to. You obviously don't know the Highway Code. Registered in England. If I see that I can safely cross a street I usually don’t bother pressing the button and then waiting for a green man. I’ve been in situations where motorists will sit there giving way to pedestrians, whom will refuse to cross until they get their green man or else they’d be jay-walking. Movember day 4 - finally something to see. Hi Simon Russsell its possible the more recently introduced AustRoads Guide to Road Design Part 6a (Pedestrian and Cyclist Paths) and the VicRoads Supplement have covered off on some of the cyclist issues in more detail/more appropriately. If you’d like to join in, please sign in or register. Is this a zebra crossing, or not? The pedestrian crossing sign (walking legs) must only be used in conjunction with the white striped linemarking on the pavement of the road crossing as defined in Road Rule 81(3). […] News Story Credit: http://www.danielbowen.com/2014/05/19/zebra-crossing-or-not/ […]. Unlike in Australia pushing a US crossing button usually seems to have no effect on how fast the light changes. Dear City of Maribyrnong and/or VicRoads, I’m confused. The intersection of Flinders Lane and Spring St got the lights downgrade (from zebra crossing) a while back, and the light default was no pedestrian green. It appears the lights were originally a conventional non-zebra crossing when the road was narrowed a few years ago. How many tram routes have low-floor trams. I had a failed attempt to get Melbourne City Council to make a default pedestrian green, given volume at that location, and then success when I tried again almost a year later (it’s now default green at least 7-7, Monday to Friday). Zebra crossing as is seen on the roads are there not for decorative purposes but for one of the most significant activities on the road, pedestrians crossing the road.
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